anechoic: OK let's get started anechoic: who wants to jump in first? glenn bach: it's interesting how quickly an idea gets generated and passed around, this whole droplift thing glenn bach: i just sent a reminder note to the list. Mathieu Ruhlm: in a similiar respect to droplifting, and hopefully not to get off-topic, but i have in the past randomly picked addresses from phone books and sent to unknown individual anechoic: sent what? <<< dog_a_bone@yahoo.com has joined >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:07:11 AM >>> Mathieu Ruhlm: seems along the same idea of providing an object/piece to someone who wouldn't normally be receptive to such work glenn bach: someone just posted a message to the list about mail art. the whole cassette trading underground . . . Mathieu Ruhlm: music and small art pieces. a take on mail art in a annoymous way anechoic: maybe we should sticj to droplifting CD into shops for now anechoic: stick <<< plunderpunk has joined >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:08:41 AM >>> glenn bach: what about droplifting into places other than retail? Mathieu Ruhlm: sure, sorry, didn't mean to go off topic as i mentioned anechoic: no worries <<< vatic has left >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:09:14 AM >>> glenn bach: like train stations, tree branches, gym locker rooms . . . Mathieu Ruhlm: perhaps public places like libraries or parks would be affective to droplift anechoic: but that is not the same as entering a CD into a shop... anechoic: not bad suggestions though...it depends on what your motives are glenn bach: one thing to consider is the danger of being arrested under the homeland security thing, droplifting possible "bombs" or "anthrax" . . . anechoic: CD's containing bombs? hmmmm... glenn bach: not to be too paranoid . . . glenn bach: stores with security cameras . . . anechoic: here's an idea: anechoic: leave a package with a CD in it with the bag check person in a shop Mathieu Ruhlm: one think that is always interesting is finding a small item in a library book that the person before has left into that leaves a certain enigma though if wanting to use a shop to translate this idea slipping a small cardboard sleeve with cd inbetween books in a used book store would work glenn bach: and just don't pick up the package from bag check? the library thing sounds like a treasure hunt . . . in a good way . . . anechoic: John Cage's Silent for example? <<< essen has joined >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:14:40 AM >>> dog_a_bone@ya: when i was in high school and heard bop jazz the music just kind of bounced off, it took years of being music obsessed to get to the point where i could be engaged by all music and sound- i just wonder if someone who comes into a record store to buy an eminem or christina aguilera cd could even sit through a few minutes of the kind of cd that i would leave in a store dog_a_bone@ya: what about the number of free aol time cds that are "droplifted" all the time- has anybody even taken the plastic off of them? glenn bach: would they think it was broken? skipping? <<< pelagius has joined >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:16:15 AM >>> plunderpunk: yes, the assumption that the finders will actually be motived enough to listen to their discovery in the first place is another question, a party pooping question, i'll admitt ... glenn bach: an environmentalist would bemoan more natural resources wasted when the recipient simply tosses it into the trash . . . Mathieu Ruhlm: i think in that way though a book store/library in respect they are going there to be educated hopefully anechoic: I like the AOL idea... glenn bach: disguising microsound droplift as an AOL tin? <<< bill jarboe has joined >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:17:15 AM >>> anechoic: no taking a whack of them, opening them and inserting a CD in the package alongside the AOL disc Mathieu Ruhlm: quite clever. i like that glenn bach: then resealing the package? anechoic: and then returning them to the place that is giving them away anechoic: yes anechoic: if you have a shrink wrap bill jarboe: hi! sorry I'm late , had to take a bath. glenn bach: kinkos will shrink wrap stuff . . . anechoic: OR slitting open the top and inserting the cd and then taping the slit back closed Mathieu Ruhlm: that is what i was thinking dog_a_bone@ya: what about dropping cds into parked cars glenn bach: who distributes the AOL thing? I always get mine in the mail <<< essen has left >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:19:40 AM >>> anechoic: there are AOL disc kiosks at Post Offices here in the US pelagius: I like the parked car idea. How about under the windsheild wiper? anechoic: parked car could mean breaking the law glenn bach: yikes, i'm not sure I want to mess with the post office . . . paranoid again . . . anechoic: well you can return them anywhere anechoic: like leaving flyers for a show at a record shop anechoic: except you are leaving AOL packs anechoic: but this is not the same as drop lifting per se pelagius: Are the AOL packs re-designed? anechoic: the idea is to enter a CD into a shop unbeknownst to them pelagius: Or do they look like AOL tins? anechoic: they look like AOL tins anechoic: infiltrate pelagius: So they go straight in the trash? :) anechoic: that is the main idea anechoic: no anechoic: people who pick them up usually open them to use them plunderpunk: good point pelagius: I see. Coming in a little late here. Sorry <<< tobias c. van Veen has joined >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:22:35 AM >>> dog_a_bone@ya: i worked in a coffee shop and put on apex twins i care because you do on the sound system and when the track with the high pitched tone came on you could tell the people were not "feeling it" and some dude with lots of gel in his hair asked if i would take it off, so i did.... glenn bach: so would the droplift cd be in a jewelcase or a cardboard or plastic sleeve? tobias c. van: greetings. hellish day. sorry to pop in late. anechoic: and put on Metal Machine Music? ;) anechoic: no worries anechoic: want me to send you the text so far? tobias c. van: [yes -- thanks .. !] pelagius: Has anyone discussed/tried buying a popular CD... Mathieu Ruhlm: so the idea with the Aol process we would insert the 'microsound' disc in with the Aol disc. would the microsound be labeled with any info or plain pelagius: Replacing the CD, resealing, then returning to the store? <<< tobias c. van Veen has joined >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:26:01 AM >>> anechoic: tobias you are joined twice...? <<< kubia has joined >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:26:23 AM >>> bill jarboe: I know this isn't droplifting , however amazon.com will distribute a CD for 55% of the retail price... dog_a_bone@ya: good to know tobias c. van: [yes -- fixing this. whoops] anechoic: ok what about the political aspects of droplifting? <<< tobias c. van Veen has left >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:27:29 AM >>> anechoic: as an act of subversion... tobias c. van: [ok . back here only once. eradicated virtual double] bill jarboe: Tobias, how does one pratice being less practical ? Is that like being less attentive? Mathieu Ruhlm: that is why i think the AOL works so well. AOL perhaps the largest company in some small way disrupting they way provide information to the mass anechoic: by being more improvisatory <<< Oivindi has joined >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:29:04 AM >>> bill jarboe: Ah, good. tobias c. van: hi! Quick answer: no not at all. But I think sometimes one gets bound by pragmatics, possibilities -- and forgets that art should dream. It's easy to be a cynic. anechoic: practicality implies intent to be economical glenn bach: would this improvisation allow for droplifting in the library as well as the retail cd store? <<< Oivindi has left >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:29:45 AM >>> <<< Oivindi has joined >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:29:46 AM >>> anechoic: sure tobias c. van: yes, and economics implies reduction, often, and exchange, and reducing everything to numbers. which is a fascinating tangent given that that IS the digital. anechoic: carry a stack of CDs with you and seed them everywhere tobias c. van: I'd like to see droplifting occur everywhere, yes. anechoic: economics implies constraint anechoic: not reduction tobias c. van: "Make it work for your particular locale" bill jarboe: I don't disagree with you Tobias , was trying to offer some perspective from the retail side. glenn bach: what would the cd packaging say? what message would be presented (not necessarily communicated) to the recipient? tobias c. van: "Reduction" in the sense of equating the ephemeral to a calcuation or product .. hence, yes, constraint. But also with exchange we get dissemination .. the play of the market. tobias c. van: Droplifting perhaps plays with this inherent play of the market .. dog_a_bone@ya: it should say "life is like a box of chok-altes you never know which one you're gonna get" tobias c. van: Bill -- word, completely, thanks :) anechoic: all abstractions can be reduced though Mathieu Ruhlm: i think that plays a major role in droplifting once you found said place how are do you present your idea you are relaying to the individual receiving <<< puggo has joined >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:32:53 AM >>> glenn bach: are people going to get the connection to gift economy, or just think that it's some weird joke and throw it away? plus other scenarios inbetween . . . plunderpunk: "please listen"? tobias c. van: Well, I'm not sure if the idea is necessarily in the CD content -- although it should be worked with this -- i think the idea is in the distribution or dissemination itself. anechoic: agreed tobias c. van: Thus I don't think it matters if people "get it." What matters is that it's a surprise. Hakim Bey used to call this "Poetic Terrorism." Kidnap someone and make them happy .. <<< arret-arret@pandora.be has joined >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:34:03 AM >>> glenn bach: i'm all for these wonderful moments of surprise, but i think there could be some kind of introductory info, even if it's simply "please listen" as suggested. plunderpunk: i'm curious as to the info that would be included on the actually cd, if any other then "please listen" puggo: hi all <<< arret-arret@pandora.be has left >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:35:21 AM >>> tobias c. van: Indeed, yes, nothing here precludes offering Instructions. glenn bach: would there be a connection to the official droplift.org project? anechoic: from what I hear that project is dead pelagius: If droplifting is subverting/playing with the idea of marketing and commerce shouldn't it engage with the rules of marketing (in regards to practicality)? tobias c. van: That would increase the potential of the project .. but yeah, it seems dead. anechoic: I had some email with the droplifting owner last week tobias c. van: Pelagius -- explain a little, perhaps? I'm not sure what you mean by the rules. Hell look at that recent project by DARPA to set up a terrorism stock market to "predict" attacks. pelagius: That Darpa website was bizarre & scary anechoic: what a wonderful art project that Terrorist Stock Market was! anechoic: conceptually of course anechoic: putting aside the warped values that thought of it tobias c. van: in my mind, the market has little in the way of rules today .. & yes, it was a wonderful project, actually .. but even practically-- for it made a direct link between the flows of Capital and Violence. pelagius: Here's a practical thought: What is the target audience of the droplifted CD (age group, interests, etc.) anechoic: for it made a direct link between the flows of Capital and Violence....exactly! tobias c. van: Yeah, that's the thing -- I'd never think of a "target audience." Look at the words: TARGET. what are we presupposing here? anechoic: the target depends on where you drop it pelagius: Which audience would it have the most effect on? How do you reach them? tobias c. van: Droplifting is random .. a safer way to go about art dissemination that "shooting randomly into the street" .. ;) anechoic: artaud? plunderpunk: target audience = those who'd be least inclined to immediately pitch it in a rubbish bin? (before or after listening) bill jarboe: There's a danger here of too much 'preaching to the choir' ( those who are already interested) in the marketing. tobias c. van: Are we trying to "reach" an audience? These are all questions .. oh: quote is Breton. Surrealist manifesto .. anechoic: ah ha pelagius: I don't mean target market as in "experimental music fans" but maybe young impressionable teenagers. i.e. drop it into a videogame magazine. tobias c. van: Bill -- agreed. Mathieu Ruhlm: i don't think you should 'target' a group/individual but allow it to infiltrate, as was mentioned anechoic: how about in the jazz section at Tower Records? anechoic: or the gospel? anechoic: or childrens music? tobias c. van: Pelagius -- ah I see. Yes certainly one could use one's biases to social engineer. Like Kodwo Eshun's idea of the "concept engineer" .. pelagius: Just trying to think like a marketer. anechoic: or the concept of a consumer engineer tobias c. van: heh .. bill jarboe: I've known young impressionable teenagers who acted that way so as to not disappoint the adults. plunderpunk: didnt we all to some degree? tobias c. van: Infiltration -- yes .. stealth mode. I think part of droplifting is an implicit turn against the overabundance of advertising and what that means today .. anechoic: isn't a pop CD part of that advertising? anechoic: also? tobias c. van: hehehhah .. I can see where you're going w/ this Kim. pelagius: How about Microsound CD as Stereo test referece? Drop into audiophile store? anechoic: I just see the infiltration of droplifting as riding on the backs of the money drenched advertising pop machine tobias c. van: Or at least I am thinking of the distinctions you have drawn with pop-spectacle and so forth. Tricky areas. Short answer -- yes .. I tend to agree with you. Complex answer is that we never achieve purity -- hence the ways in which the constraints or reducability of economy is yet also inherent to play and dissemination .. tobias c. van: Basically what I am saying is that the CD collapses messages to medium, advertising to content .. so even by embracing the CD in a certain fashion we are embracing a pop object, today. plunderpunk: is there an intent to collect the reactions to the material? how will we know if anyone has actually been infiltrated ... ? glenn bach: would the droplift cd refer specifically back to microsound.org? anechoic: i.e., wrapping our content in THEIR spectacle <<< Oivindi has left >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:46:44 AM >>> tobias c. van: "wrapping our content in THEIR spectacle" -- I like this. glenn bach: piggybacking anonymously, or plugging microsound into their spectacle? <<< Oivindi has joined >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:47:11 AM >>> tobias c. van: But I think that THEIR is also unfortunately OURS, for whatever it's worth. Certainly this tactic you mention is that of Force Inc's Disco House etc. <<< dog_a_bone@yahoo.com has left >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:47:41 AM >>> tobias c. van: Plugging-in microsound = clicks and cuts @ theoretical level, at least according to Szepanski .. anechoic: I don't see that analogy anechoic: I see the Force Inc method as a way of excusing becoming more spectacular in a way tobias c. van: Clicks and cuts is areferential sound which piggybacks on pop-music-structures ..thus: clickETC. I'm thinking more clickRNB, click-LUOMO... anechoic: agree tobias c. van: Yes I think one can also critique FI from that angle as well. tobias c. van: Anyways there were some practical questions above .. [reading] anechoic: becoming part of the culture industry as a style conscious entity anechoic: ok let's get some other people in here tobias c. van: "is there an intent to collect the reactions to the material? how will we know if anyone has actually been infiltrated ... ?" This is a good question, and one that plagues the art world: usually known as DOCUMENTATION .. is it necessary? here? Certainly, personally, i'd like to take mini videos and pics of the ACT .. anechoic: we're hogging bandwidth glenn bach: what about plunderpunk's question of getting feedback post-droplift . . . tobias c. van: [open to the floor . !] glenn bach: would documentation be too self-conscious? pelagius: What's the difference between getting feedback on your droplifted project vs. getting your official release reviewed? Self affirmation? pelagius: Uh, not "self" affirmation. pelagius: Why is it needed is my question? Mathieu Ruhlm: perhaps a common e-mail on the disc would work well allowing the individual to remain annoymous to some degree glenn bach: my earlier question, would the cd refer back to microsound.org? anechoic: it wouldn't have to anechoic: it could be jujst a CD of your work anechoic: just glenn bach: if it's a group project, would artist and track titles be identified? anechoic: suer anechoic: sure tobias c. van: "redundancy" .. striving to grow ego .. [to above] perhaps .. glenn bach: might it be more interesting to have a CD of anonymous, mysterious pieces, or one long mix? anechoic: it depends on the intent of the action Mathieu Ruhlm: i think that would work best glenn pelagius: The question to me would be whether the intent is to disseminate work (and promote the creators) or to change people's lives? <<< fsc has joined >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:56:00 AM >>> plunderpunk: is the point to affect people or simply feel good about attempting to affect ideas that govern them? i would like to affect people first, am i being naive? i want contact info and an url and an explaination available for those intrigued enough to seek it <<< sp-H has joined >>> <<< 7/31/03 10:56:05 AM >>> bill jarboe: Does anyone else have a problem listening to an entire release burned from mp3s? glenn bach: i don't feel a need to get MY work out there necessarily, or have people know that it's MY work . . . anechoic: fsc plz turn your message option on pelagius: pluderpunk, I agree about affecting people, and I don't think it's naive. Mathieu Ruhlm: i don't think the idea of droplifting is to advertise though Mathieu Ruhlm: advertising in respect to promotion Mathieu Ruhlm: but to present glenn bach: what "effect" or effects would be desired? contemplation? alert the audience to the paucity of pop music? glenn bach: etc. anechoic: by the end of the discussion I would like to have a game plan as to how we will implement this droplifiting scheme anechoic: if it is going to be a microsound project etc... glenn bach: would contributions be theme-based, like McDonna? Deconstructing and recontextualizing pop music? anechoic: it is open to our decision glenn bach: or more abstract, like the current stockhausen pulse train? anechoic: if it is anon then the theme doesn't matter tobias c. van: thoughts: theme doesn't matter. I think this should be a microsound project, yes, just because we are a group of people interested in doing it. Content is open to "microsound." I think a URL and a webpage _with these discussions_ & perhaps, as I offered, a few texts and samples _of our debates_ would be excellent. plunderpunk: i'd say use popular songs, charting/mtv songs, as a point for reference for your typical pop consumer, reflect their buying habits, for example bill jarboe: How about a project where each person contributes a track about droplifting , distribution etc. in any format which can be burned to a CD ; with cetain size constraints (7 mb? ).. I've found I've had better luck recently when every track isn't from the same format ( some mp3 , some mp4 , aif's etc. ) tobias c. van: So yeah, CD would have a URL on it. pelagius: So is this going in racks for people to buy? Or will it be the AOL idea? tobias c. van: Here's what I'd do: have everyone submit tracks to an online site (like we do with hotline). now currently we can only do Mp3s due to space .. but it would be nice to host a space for AIFF if only for a day or two, so we can get higher res copies for CD players. THEN everyone burns there OWN COMBINATION of tracks, be it MP3, AIFF, or both. anechoic: not an audio CD? tobias c. van: I'd prefer audio CD as MP3s are still not as easy to play around .. anechoic: this also implies a target anechoic: CDROM implies a target tobias c. van: but this could also be left open to the individual BURNER .. each of us who takes on the droplift .. tobias c. van: thus we aren't droplifting the same CDs, but different combinations, permutations, interpretations .. anechoic: so the intent in arbitrary? pelagius: So we could make a microsound droplifter's source kit and people could use it as they see fit? anechoic: is fsc: Discs with both audio and data are a possibility as well. Something that could be played in a cd player, but that would have more material if it happened to be placed in a cd-rom drive. tobias c. van: intent is left open to the droplifter as they see fit for their locale & interpretation of the project .. anechoic: I like the mixed format idea tobias c. van: FSC -- yes ... anechoic: that way the target is also open anechoic: and not aimed at 'computer savvy' 20-something demographic tobias c. van: pelagius -- I'd say yes ... a SOURCE KIT .. then remix to suit your local, what you think will work best. thus no top-down directives save the general gist of the project .. this is perhaps what i mean by practical dreaming .. pelagius: Ah, practical dreaming. A compromise :) sp-H: mixed format idea is cool sp-H: :) anechoic: will the intent be focused enough? fsc: The external presentation of the disc would seem to be important as well... would there be standardized packaging/labels/etc, or should this be varied as well? anechoic: if it is left up the the droplifter? anechoic: if it is arbitrary then having it be a microsound project is moot...no? tobias c. van: "focused" according to who? anyone who receives the CD knows only of their particular manifestation, not the project as a whole. thus each singularity is incredibly focused in this sense .. coherence in this project would imply a totalisable level which the method--the droplift--deconstructs .. plunderpunk: i would hand paint my cds white, isthat too personalized? should it be a plain sticker instead? might that represent the cd better? pelagius: Perhaps there should be a more fixed stated intent and only the realization is left open. tobias c. van: i think "microsound" gives us the intent, parameters, a context, a group Force, expression .. whatever you wish to call it ... it is a way of banding together an inherently mobile & perhaps anarchic idea . anechoic: then there is no difference really between each person taking their own cd and doing this or it being a microsound project glenn bach: it would be a "microsound project" if all the files were posted and downloaded from the hotline server. anechoic: so random manifestations of a microsound project? and not anaonymous? anechoic: anonymous? glenn bach: yes tobias c. van: Well, I'd disagree, for if we create an Open Source Kit, then we each use each other's tracks; moreover, tracks are created specifically for the project; and all the CDs are themeatically connected. I see this is a microsound project on many levels. plunderpunk: agreed glenn bach: yes, not necessarily anon, but definitely random anechoic: not if it doesn't say so on the disc anechoic: again what is the intent? bill jarboe: One difference might be the relationship/juxtaposition between the different pieces. I've found this quite effective on recent compilations.. tobias c. van: Alright -- you all use MAx/MSP. Think of droplift like a random algorithm DISTRIBUTION generator, where content gets mixed along with space and time .. glenn bach: not all of us use MAX :) anechoic: explain your analogy anechoic: not sure where that is going ;) tobias c. van: We're taking a common thread of composition -- granular processes, random generation, generative sound -- and applying it to distribution. This is the way I'd propose it theoretically in high-art land. <<< puggo has left >>> <<< 7/31/03 11:16:22 AM >>> tobias c. van: just like kim, you use random processes to pull premade files for live performance. here we do the same with the distribution & creation of hundreds of CDs, geographically distributed and different. pelagius: Like a distributed factory anechoic: but each one will be different? glenn bach: are there instructions for the recipient to pass the cd along to someone else, does he/she keep it . . . what happens to the end tendrils of this randomized distrubution chain? tobias c. van: yes, producing "common differences" .. kind of Cage: we have apreset number of tracks, but a random interpretation of their order .. tobias c. van: basically the droplift project is a SCRIPT .. anechoic: but the intent is fuzzy for the receiver anechoic: there is too much noise in the channel tobias c. van: yes, just like your performances ;) anechoic: not a good analogy becasuse I provide the fitness function in my perfs anechoic: so it isn't rnd at all really tobias c. van: I think 'intent' only comes to play when the receiver comes to check the URL on the disk and reads all this madness. tobias c. van: exactly, & we're not completely random here either, as we have a preset # of tracks. glenn bach: should the recipient be encouraged to re-droplift the cd, re-introduce the cd back into the randomness? fsc: Participation by way of re-droplifting would make the project much more interesting for those on the recieving end. fsc: And would likely spread the disc even further. anechoic: so each droplifter creates their own combination of content and selects the format of that content, as well as a design for the label? anechoic: and then drops it somewhere/anywhere they think is a good infitration point? tobias c. van: yes, it could. although if someone keeps it, i wouldn't judge the project based on what happens once they receive it. for me the project is in the expression of the distribution . what happens with the receiver is almost beyond our control, and perhaps, shouldn't be controlled by us. like audience reactions to Stelarc performances .. glenn bach: or might a PDF file be available for the insert that explains that tracks are in random order . . . anechoic: infiltration tobias c. van: maybe we could come up with a limited number of design files as well? like the MEGO site has a preset style sheet selection .. tobias c. van: then the design follows the content .. <<< tytus de zoo has joined >>> <<< 7/31/03 11:24:10 AM >>> tobias c. van: [breather] <<< tytus de zoo has left >>> <<< 7/31/03 11:24:59 AM >>> anechoic: so there is a defined set of content and graphic imagery one can choose from...just checking my understanding here so I can explain it to others <<< sp-H has left >>> <<< 7/31/03 11:26:02 AM >>> tobias c. van: well .. i'd say yes .. these are the parameters so basically it isn't a free-for-all .. anechoic: ok I like the idea just want to make sure I undestand it so i can write an invite for this... tobias c. van: again, I can offer theoretical musings on this once we have established parameters so I am line w/ concensus & not debating. I could write an introduction to the project that will zap into the theory level .. perhaps a way of mixing into art-land so "they bill jarboe: Perhaps a 'graphic_toolbox' folder where persons could place images , fonts etc. ? tobias c. van: " take notice .. anechoic: ok now that we have a modus operandi now we need a little more detail anechoic: such as tracks? theme? who does graphics? what mix of file fromats? who burns CD's? ISO? mixed content? etc... anechoic: formats tobias c. van: so we open a call for "microsound" tracks focused around "droplift distribution" as well as cover-art reflecting this. then we put up a webpage or two on the site with the call, the text of this discussion, selections from the debate on the list [i'd be happy to act as text editor in this capacity].. anechoic: what type of packaging? jewel, slip cover, CD label...? tobias c. van: we close the comp .. & then put up a webpage with the Open Source Kit instructions -- which is where you are now in planning, kim :) anechoic: how many designs? is there a limit? does a person choose whichever one they like? tobias c. van: so we all burn CDs.. individually .. as we are dealing with MP3 and AIFF, the best thing would be mixed-content, dual use. anechoic: so audio and CDROM? tobias c. van: there should be a limit to designs & perhaps this is where we need to act editorially / curatorially .. pelagius: I thought each "distributor" would be an editor/curator. Too chaotic? anechoic: hmmm...I think anarchy should rein from top donw to a certain extent ;) tobias c. van: yeah, audio / CDROM .. mixed format. tobias c. van: heh .. ;) tobias c. van: well -- think of it like the music. we've got a limited number of designs to choose from. anechoic: I think each microsounder should put up whatever they like and DL whatever they like tobias c. van: if you wish .. :) tobias c. van: you're the one all over "intent" ;0 bill jarboe: How about mp3/mp4/.aiff qt. ? anechoic: I don't limit my pool of files before performing ;) anechoic: I abonded that 30 lines ago ;) anechoic: abondoned tobias c. van: but the hard drive does .. alright, anyways .. yeah sure, we're working with imposed limits, which is what defines this as microsound .. anechoic: abandoned anechoic: I'll get it right one of these tries! anechoic: so here is a suggestion: tobias c. van: perhaps the limitation for graphics is that it needs to contain the following elements: URL of project . well, maybe that's it then. pelagius: I want my photo on there glenn bach: i like the simplicity of a simple URL on the packaging. anechoic: aiff, wav,mp3,mp4, pdf, docs, jpeg, gif, png,html allowed anechoic: I want my photo on there->make a cover graf with it on there! anechoic: :) pelagius: That will move copies :) <<< kubia has left >>> <<< 7/31/03 11:37:21 AM >>> anechoic: we create a pool on the hotline server with all the files split into categories anechoic: visual anechoic: text anechoic: audio anechoic: etc anechoic: and then we let people decide whether or not to burn a mixed cd anechoic: or a CDROM anechoic: or an audio CD bill jarboe: Hoorah! I like the formats.. anechoic: BUT all the CD's must have a URL on the cover tobias c. van: wow .. yeah .. i'm down. anechoic: all the users get a script anechoic: take some from folder 'Audio' some from folder 'grafs' etc anechoic: until you fill a CD pelagius: I'm still unclear on some specifics of the distribution possibilities. Will that be discussed later? anechoic: and then make 'n' copies and drop them whereever you think is a good place anechoic: is this OK with all? glenn bach: sounds great. fsc: sounds good. pelagius: yp pelagius: yep tobias c. van: y* tobias c. van: project name: tobias c. van: *.* anechoic: cool...I'll write an invite and post it next Monday anechoic: Tobias wants to edit some text for the website? anechoic: can you write some text for the CD? tobias c. van: Tobias can edits some text. i've saved the discussion. tobias c. van: I could write a few texts for random insertion by Burners .. anechoic: ok me too...U wanna write a text file for the CD? tobias c. van: also parse together the debates, resample sentences . anechoic: OK good... tobias c. van: yeah, i can work on this, send along . anechoic: so I will establish a group of foilders on the server for this bill jarboe: Talk to you all later , it's been nice... glenn bach: back to work :( anechoic: and let people start uploading content soon anechoic: thanks for joining in! <<< bill jarboe has left >>> <<< 7/31/03 11:42:49 AM >>> tobias c. van: kickin . best, everyone .. pelagius: bye <<< tobias c. van Veen has left >>> <<< 7/31/03 11:43:18 AM >>> <<< pelagius has left >>> <<< 7/31/03 11:43:20 AM >>>